Give this a try

Thats why I mentioned its specifically for Logan Diesel in India not the 1.4 & 1.6 petrol engines ..... please please please do not compare petrol engines and clutch with Diesel ones and the problems I generally refer to.

I don't agree on that. Yes, its hard at times. A visit to the service center clears the problem. Also its a once in a while trip.
Two of my colleagues use the same model (Diesel) and they have no issues with the clutch.

One can negotiate 'humps' on gear two. If there is an incline immediately after the 'hump' then gear 'one' can be considered. Also one should take into consideration the number of people on board and luggage, if any.
Normally, shifting to 2nd and then taking off your foot off the accelerator pedal will not result in the vehicle stalling it will still move on.

Well the service center people in Bangalore themselves say that the clutch wire is a issue,as it is a hydraulic system like the ones in scooters .
They changed it for me free of cost in the paid service last month as the car is under 2 years warranty.

They in fact told me to go for extended warranty for 2 more years and said that changing of clutch wire is covered under extended warranty , one time change will cost Rs 1200 which includes labor charges, so if you get clutch wire changed twice in next 2 years it will cost Rs 2400.

To the best of my knowledge none of our scooters have hydraulically operated clutch. It is a simple cable operated clutch. Just as in Logan.

Yes, I agree with Ezee. My observation subject to correction - The idle RPM is maintained at 900. When you pull your leg off the accelerator pedal, irrespective of which gear you are on, it tries to stabilise at 900 RPM. When it drops below 900 rpm there is a udden surge in power to get back to the 900 mark. This poses a problem and forces me to depress the clutch. In my case, unless its a very small hump on the road, most other speed brakers need me to shift to 1st gear. The same applies to even small patches of bad tarmac - 2nd gear (without acceleration) makes it a little too bumpy. If i dont shift to 1st, i will have to try and force the vehicle to pull itself in 2nd, using the clutch and revving the engine. (I hope Ive got my point across0

The clutch is defintely very hard in my car and its tough driving in heavy traffic. Ive repalced the cluthc cable twice in the last 20 months and it is my biggest complaint evry time I turm my car in for service.

lots of hydraulic operated stuff. whatever you look at they say is hydraulic operated.

what is this hydraulic operated? how does it operate?

e.g. hydraulic operated clutch --> What does this actually mean in layman terms?
hydraulic operated power steering --> What does this actually mean in layman terms?

Hydraulic mechanisms do not use the force or input of the user directly. Instead, the user input is transferred to a system which contains fluid (usually oil) under pressure, which is multiplies the effort of the user.

Think of it like this.
If you apply a 1 kg force on a normal bicycle brake lever, the same force if transferred to the brake pads and the rims.
But, if it was a hydraulic mechanism (like in case of Bajaj Pulsar with front disc brakes) then your 1kg force is multiplied into a larger force at the rims. In other words, you actually dont have to apply a 1 kg force on the brake lever to stop the vehicle.

So it is less effort for the driver/user.

Regarding the scooter clutch, all our scooters use multi-cone clutches, to increase the surface area of contact and friction.


@ Mir
In case of hydraulic operated steering wheel, when you turn the steering wheel, you are actually not directly causing your front wheels to change direction.

Between the steering wheel and the tierods of the wheels is a reservoir (pump) filled with oil. when you start the car, the pump increases the pressure of the oil.

Your turning input at steering wheel is transferred to the pump which multiplies your effort using compressed oil to cause the tierod pistins to move. (little technical here )

Try to turn your steering wheel when your car is OFF and then try when it is ON.

you will understand what it means.

Correct

now how is it different from electically powered steering and brake. i guess in that the power amplification would be battery driven.

Hydraulic pumps are driven by the engine. So, if engine is ON they work. If not they dont.

In case of electric Electrically powered stuff, as you rightly said they are electric motor driven, which are powered by a Dynamo that runs parallely with Engine and Battery. Therefore, it is also effective when the engine is ON.

Difference is, in case of direct run Hydraulic systems, there is a tendency to rob the engine of some power in order to sustain the functioning of these systems.

Thats exactly what I was trying to explain, on such a big & heavy car like Logan Diesel (Yes Only Diesel Diesel Diesel) it was mandatory to use hydraulic clutches as its in Dzire and Verna.

If you speak to any propective buyer who just refused to buy Logan, will give you a list of problems which will have hard clutch on the top with odd looks.

Also in my last service (paid) the service engineer excepted the problem of hard clutch but also excepted that they have no solution for this till now.

Although the thread was for its hump crossing capabilities in second & third gear ...... so one more thing I would like to get shared from other members, about LOGAN DIESEL's capability cruising on hill areas, Im sure its not suitable for that ...... I am asking because I got some overview of this problem from the double basement parking of malls here in Gurgaon.

I too have a question on its pulling power on inclines. I can never drive it in any gear other than the first one on inclines. One frightening experienc I had on the sloping groung of a mall here. As I was in midway of quite a steep incline to a mall's underground parking slot exit, I found a car parked just in front tof me on the level groung just where the slope ends. I stopped my car and when I tried to resume my motion, I found that I needed to press the acceleration pedal excessively hard to get my car moving. Before I could make my car move the engine shut down twice because of less clutch-acceleartion ratio I applied. I am not sure if this is common to Indian Logans.

I have faced this problem too but I would attribute that to driving style. I use the hadnbrake in such situations and revv up the engine before releasing the clutch. There is a little lag from the clutch so its necessary u keep the engine revved (in proportion the incline) and then move. I havent drive verna/fiesta but I know that this isnt the problem with other cars.

Pulling power of diesel logan on inlcines should be adequate as diesel engines have more torque to pull at low rpm. Well I have a petrol 1.4 and on any inclines in basement parkings it pulls fine. Due to less power in engine we cannot compare with other Jap or korean cars but neither is logan like an Ambassador on gradients when the heart used to miss a beat, thinking will the car climb or stall.

I have driven diesel logan of a friend. His logan has run 40000kms. Surely the clutch was hard. It used to surge on pumping the accelerator and did give me a good feel of its pulling power. Diesel logan would run well in hills.

i have been to quite steep hills of himalayas....no issues.....

infact as far as i remember,, on inclines i did overtake some vehicles including fiestas and dzires....

i dint overtake vernas as they were tremendously fast


maybe driving style matters as stated by dhanushan

General pulling power has never beena problem. I have driven in some of the steepest roads in S. India and have had fantastic performance. I guess some of us have the issue only when moving from a stand still on an incline.

Yes Dhanushan, the issue is stopping on inclines and then starting to move. I have to reverb excessively to get the car move forward instead of backward.

This problem exists even with the handbrake trick?

The Handbrake Trick ?? This the ONLY way to do a hillstart you apply the handbrake and slowly release the clutch and slowly increase the revs you wont need a lot of revs for even the steepest of hills I use same distance gas as clutch when the Clutch bites
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpeVOl0H7Eo&feature=PlayList&p=9ECB9EDC9CC9C908&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=7

Most people don't do it that way here... And so it is a trick.

In fact, I didn't know you have to do that before I got my logan.

Hand brake occassionally with the clutch biting point helps.

More often than not, when I go up a slope in any parking slot, I have to be in queue and stop and move every minute. So is't this frequent handbrake use be a bit tiring.

Dont be silly its the way to do it and if you think by holding your car on the clutch is Hip yes it is its a Hip Hip Hooray for the workshop man !
It is not hard work to put on the handbrake is it .But its hard work to work your balls off to pay for being Lazy
Just my thoughts

Man!! its real bull shit and illogical to hold the car with just clutch and accelerator on a steep slope. What I use to do when the car stops is put the gear in neutral and just hold on to the brake and then before starting to move, keeping the brake pressed move to first gear and move the foot to the accelerator and rev up a bit more than the normal to manuever the slope. Yes I need to hurry in transferring my foot from brake to accelerator pedal. Initially car used to stop once or twice(this happened only with Logan) but now I am accustomed with the ratio I need to press.

Anyways I will try the handbrake technique in frequent stops scenario and if I find it better I will definitely adopt it as a habit.