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ashutosh Moderator
Number of posts : 471 Age : 42 City, Country : NOIDA LOGAN Model : 1.4 GLE ClubLogan Points : 40 Registration date : 2008-01-23
| Subject: Torque and power graphs for Logans Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:51 pm | |
| Follow are the torque and power graphs for the different engines for the Logan: 1.4 K7J 75ch 1.6 16v 1.5 dCi
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sAuMiL Admin
Number of posts : 1680 Age : 41 City, Country : Mumbai, India LOGAN Model : Logan DLE Sahara Beige ClubLogan Points : 881 Registration date : 2008-01-01
| Subject: Gr8 job mate! Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:57 am | |
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ashutosh Moderator
Number of posts : 471 Age : 42 City, Country : NOIDA LOGAN Model : 1.4 GLE ClubLogan Points : 40 Registration date : 2008-01-23
| Subject: Re: Torque and power graphs for Logans Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:33 am | |
| thanks man! thought the graphs will be some of help.
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nishanth Newbie Loganizer!
Number of posts : 3 Age : 40 LOGAN Model : None ClubLogan Points : 0 Registration date : 2008-01-25
| Subject: Re: Torque and power graphs for Logans Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:25 pm | |
| He guys.. Enjoy the complete technical specification of Logan..Renault LoganTechnical Data of Renault LoganThere will be 3 engine versions: Renault 1.4 of 75 HP and 1.6 of 90 HP, and a diesel 1.5 dCi of 65 HP will join them later. There will also be a diesel engine of 85 HP dCi. Renault Logan | Petrol engines | Engine | K7J | K7M | Type of gearbox | Manual | Manual | Emission control | Euro 4 | Euro 4 | Renault Logan ENGINE | Engine type | K7J 710 | K7M 710 | Displacement (cc) | 1390 | 1598 | Bore x stroke (mm) | 79.5 x 70 | 79.5 x 80.5 | Number of cylinders | 4 | 4 | Compression Ratio | 9.5:1 | 9.5:1 | Total number of valves | 8 | 8 | Max. power kW (hp) | 55 (75) | 64 (90) | Max. engine speed (rpm) | 5500 | 5500 | Max. torque (m-kg) | 112 | 128 | Redline (rpm) | 3000 | 3000 | Type of fuel injection | multiport | multiport | Fuel type | petrol | petrol | Catalytic converter | S | S | Renault Logan GEARBOX | Type | JH1 | JH3 | Number of forward gears | 5 | 5 | Speed (km/h) at 1000 rpm: 1st | 7.24 | 7.24 | 2nd | 13.18 | 13.18 | 3rd | 19.37 | 19.37 | 4th | 26.21 | 26.21 | 5th | 33.94 | 33.94 | Renault Logan STEERING | Turning circle (m) | 10.5 | Steering turns to lock (manual / power) | 4.5 / 3.2 | Renault Logan SUSPENSION | Front suspension | MacPherson strut with wishbone arm | Rear suspension | H-type torsion beam with programmed deflection and coil springs | Diameter of antiroll bar (mm) | 24.5 | Renault Logan WHEELS AND TYRES | Wheel standard (in) | 5,50 J 14 | 6,0 J 15 | Tyre reference Fr/Rr | 165/80 R14 | 185/65 R15 | Renault Logan BRAKES | Type of braking circuit | X | ABS Bosch 8.0 | optional/serie | Electronic brakeforce distribution | optional/Standard | Servobrakes Single / Double - diam. (in) | S - 9 | Front brake diska (mm) | 238 / 259 | Rear brake drums (in) | 7 / 8
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Dushie Senior Loganizer!
Number of posts : 250 Age : 46 City, Country : Bangalore, India LOGAN Model : DLE ClubLogan Points : 104 Registration date : 2008-01-07
| Subject: Re: Torque and power graphs for Logans Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:11 pm | |
| Excellent work guys .... Very Informative | |
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ezee Senior Loganizer!
Number of posts : 279 Age : 47 City, Country : Gurgaon LOGAN Model : DLS 2007 ClubLogan Points : 250 Registration date : 2008-02-15
| Subject: Re: Torque and power graphs for Logans Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:21 pm | |
| want to check all renault engines? check here: http://www.renault.com/renault_com/en/main/50_INOVATION_ET_TECHNOLOGIE/65_Moteurs_et_boites_de_vitesses/ | |
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Mir... Super Loganizer
Number of posts : 659 Age : 47 City, Country : Ahmedabad, Gujarat LOGAN Model : 1.4 GLX ClubLogan Points : 624 Registration date : 2009-03-10
| Subject: Re: Torque and power graphs for Logans Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:03 pm | |
| can some one provide more inputs as to how to interpret torque and power figures in layman terms? all i know is torque corresponds to accelaration and hence pickup whereas power corresponds to the limits that the machine can go and hence top speeds. also both are related to each other. i also understand that there are several other factors like gear ratios, power to weight etc. but thats all highly complex. what i want to know is 1. can someone, just by looking torque figures in nm @ rpm and power figures in bhp @ rpm make a word about the engine performance as to whether it can be better, faster, higher top speeds etc... for example: i have two model of cars both petrol and around same cc. Can we draw any conclusions on basis of below figures? | Max Torque | Max Power | Engine cc | Model | | | |
Indigo XL Grand Petrol | 124 nm @ 3500 rpm | 99 bhp @ 6100 rpm | 1396 cc | Logan 1.4 GLX Petrol | 110 nm @ 3000 rpm | 75 bhp @ 5500 rpm | 1390 cc |
i tried drawing some conclusion myself and came to below statements: a. top speed of indigo xl on highway will be more as compared to the top speed of logan 1.4glx. so lets say if logan top speed can be 160 kmph, indigo xls's would be may be around 180 kmph. (indigo has higher bhp as compared to logan) b. pickup of logan would be better than that of indigo in lower rpm range. so till 160 kmph logan always overpowers indigo. (logan torque is higher at lower rpms) c. Logan engine can run at lower speeds on higher gears better as compared to Indigo XL. So logan can run without knocking in 5th gear at say 20kmph but if same is tried on Indigo XL it may stall abruptly. (logan torque is higher at lower rpms) 2. Am i correct on all (a) , (b) and (c) above? If not what is correct? Or nothing can be derived from the figures i have. NOTE: some useful tips PS, bhp are units of power Nm, Kgm are units of torque 1 PS = 0.986 bhp 1 Kgm (Kilogram-force meter) = 9.807 Nm (Newton-meter) power = torque * rpm / 5252 [where torque has to be in ft-lb i.e. foot pounds] Torque drops after certain rpm: This is the peak point. Now though torque drops, it does not mean power will also drop at the same time. Answer is in equation power = torque * rpm / 5252 which says that though torque drops, if rpm increase ultimately power increases. however at one point torque drops significantly that the rpm rise is nearly nullified and this is where the power then drops. Due to this the power peak will always be after torque peak.
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Logan_loverinDelhi Super Loganizer
Number of posts : 360 Age : 47 City, Country : New Delhi, India LOGAN Model : 1.6GLX ClubLogan Points : 135 Registration date : 2008-07-22
| Subject: Re: Torque and power graphs for Logans Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:46 pm | |
| wonderful stats.. just one clarification.. I restrict my interject to the 1.6ltr petrol for obvious selfish reasons..
I see all these data are for a 16valve engine.. the Indian version is an 8 valve engine.. wouldn't the curves change as a consequence?
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Mir... Super Loganizer
Number of posts : 659 Age : 47 City, Country : Ahmedabad, Gujarat LOGAN Model : 1.4 GLX ClubLogan Points : 624 Registration date : 2009-03-10
| Subject: Re: Torque and power graphs for Logans Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:03 pm | |
| I would say, lets not focus to whether 1.6 or 1.4. Lets focus to the core question. Once we have some answer on that we can then easily draw the same for any engine capacity in matter of minutes. All figures are for our Indian existing engines. Also we are to focus on only two things torque figures and power figures to find out how can these two help draw some conclusions. lets keep all other things out for now. i request all to provide inputs as i am not able to get to anything. | |
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Mir... Super Loganizer
Number of posts : 659 Age : 47 City, Country : Ahmedabad, Gujarat LOGAN Model : 1.4 GLX ClubLogan Points : 624 Registration date : 2009-03-10
| Subject: Re: Torque and power graphs for Logans Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:00 pm | |
| forum members, kindly give your inputs. | |
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RajeshNamb Super Loganizer
Number of posts : 655 Age : 52 City, Country : Bangalore, India LOGAN Model : DLX ClubLogan Points : 334 Registration date : 2008-07-26
| Subject: Re: Torque and power graphs for Logans Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:11 pm | |
| - Mir... wrote:
- can some one provide more inputs as to how to interpret torque and power figures in layman terms?
all i know is torque corresponds to acceleration and hence pickup whereas power corresponds to the limits that the machine can go and hence top speeds. also both are related to each other. Mir, its actually the other way around. BHP corresponds to acceleration. Torque is the turning power transmitted to the wheels. If the engine is able to achieve peak torque at the lowest possible RPM it can be termed as good. In city conditions one will have to downshift less to get the vehicle moving in slow traffic or the vehicle can be driven in higher gears in lower rpms thereby increasing fuel efficiency. Tractors normally have a high torque due to the task for which they are designed, ploughing etc. On the other hand BHP decides the rate of acceleartion. It is especially useful on highways or to get away from signals. Sports cars have high BHPs. Again the maximum speed which a vehicle can achieve depends on the engine capacity, weight of the vehicle and gear ratios among others. | |
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martin245 Super Loganizer
Number of posts : 2502 Age : 71 City, Country : Karlsbad Spielberg Germany Some do not like the way I answer posts .but if you read between the lines you will see sense in what I write LOGAN Model : DACIA LOGAN 14mpi Lauriette Simply Red ClubLogan Points : 2090 Registration date : 2008-04-07
| Subject: Re: Torque and power graphs for Logans Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:46 am | |
| http://www.vettenet.org/torquehp.html THIS should answer your question without charts | |
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sAuMiL Admin
Number of posts : 1680 Age : 41 City, Country : Mumbai, India LOGAN Model : Logan DLE Sahara Beige ClubLogan Points : 881 Registration date : 2008-01-01
| Subject: Re: Torque and power graphs for Logans Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:16 pm | |
| @ Rajesh, u made it pretty simple, thanks.. | |
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vsuprak Moderator
Number of posts : 1182 Age : 43 City, Country : Bangalore / IND LOGAN Model : 1.5DLX Fiery Black - 132,000kms (sold) ClubLogan Points : 1031 Registration date : 2008-03-17
| Subject: Re: Torque and power graphs for Logans Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:23 pm | |
| Finally I get my 1.5 dCI graph here after long time of waiting. Thanks guys! | |
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RajeshNamb Super Loganizer
Number of posts : 655 Age : 52 City, Country : Bangalore, India LOGAN Model : DLX ClubLogan Points : 334 Registration date : 2008-07-26
| Subject: Re: Torque and power graphs for Logans Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:02 pm | |
| You are welcome, SaUmiL. | |
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tomlai Super Loganizer
Number of posts : 380 Age : 58 City, Country : Kolkata LOGAN Model : Logan GLE 1.4 ClubLogan Points : 152 Registration date : 2008-03-25
| Subject: Re: Torque and power graphs for Logans Sat Aug 01, 2009 2:03 am | |
| Still looking for that elusive BSFC chart for the Logan K7J engine .... | |
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Mir... Super Loganizer
Number of posts : 659 Age : 47 City, Country : Ahmedabad, Gujarat LOGAN Model : 1.4 GLX ClubLogan Points : 624 Registration date : 2009-03-10
| Subject: Re: Torque and power graphs for Logans Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:39 pm | |
| hmmm. guys thanks for inputs.
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Mir... Super Loganizer
Number of posts : 659 Age : 47 City, Country : Ahmedabad, Gujarat LOGAN Model : 1.4 GLX ClubLogan Points : 624 Registration date : 2009-03-10
| Subject: Re: Torque and power graphs for Logans Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:10 pm | |
| Also all the a, b and c in my earlier comment are correct based on a assumption that both Indigo XL Petrol and Logan carry identical gear ratios and have almost similar weights. | |
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Mir... Super Loganizer
Number of posts : 659 Age : 47 City, Country : Ahmedabad, Gujarat LOGAN Model : 1.4 GLX ClubLogan Points : 624 Registration date : 2009-03-10
| Subject: Re: Torque and power graphs for Logans Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:03 pm | |
| Another interesting point I noticed is Renault Logan, Duster and Fluence when against competitors in same segment, have too low bhp and Nm figures.
For example Logan is 1400 cc with 75bhp and 107.873 Nm where as Tata Manza Safire is 1400cc with 88.8bhp and 116Nm which is definitely higher as compared to Logan. FIAT Linea compares to Manza. In fact as per my readings in all 1400 cc cars available in market Logan has the least bhp and Nm. Volkswagen Jetta 1400cc is amazingly with 120.3bhp and 200Nm. I guess it would have something like turbo charged engine may be. So it can be put out of this comparison.
Duster 1600cc comes with 102.6bhp and 145Nm. Skoda Rapid 1600cc though Sedan and not SUV comes with 105bhp and 153 Nm.
Fluence 2000cc comes with 135.1bhp and 190 Nm whereas SKODA Laura though 1800cc comes with 157.8bhp and 250Nm which is a massive difference. | |
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Mir... Super Loganizer
Number of posts : 659 Age : 47 City, Country : Ahmedabad, Gujarat LOGAN Model : 1.4 GLX ClubLogan Points : 624 Registration date : 2009-03-10
| Subject: Re: Torque and power graphs for Logans Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:08 pm | |
| Some figures | |
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martin245 Super Loganizer
Number of posts : 2502 Age : 71 City, Country : Karlsbad Spielberg Germany Some do not like the way I answer posts .but if you read between the lines you will see sense in what I write LOGAN Model : DACIA LOGAN 14mpi Lauriette Simply Red ClubLogan Points : 2090 Registration date : 2008-04-07
| Subject: Re: Torque and power graphs for Logans Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:51 pm | |
| This is easy to answer ! Check the weights of the other cars Dacia or as you call it Mahindra or Renault Duster weighs a lot less due to cost cutting This is why a Dacia Logan 1400 can wipe the arse off a VW Golf with a 1400 motor at the traffic lights | |
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