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 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear

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PostSubject: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:22 pm

hi i am having gls1.6 petrol logan. i have bought it from koncept, noida. its a month old car. i am facing a basic problem in gear changing from any front gear to back gear, a peculiar disturbing noise comes.i took it for my 1st srvice & explained them about the same. finally at the end of the day they logged a complained with mahindra for its solution. they justified by showing all the new cars in their showroom having the same noise problem. their jugad solution is that first i have put the first gear then back gear. they even told me that many more have come up this problem.
if their existing new cars at show room is having the same problem then they should not sell thei further cars.
but when i test drived logan, i didnt faced such kind of probelm or may be i had not noticed it.
i confirm that even after pressing complete cluch peddle the noise come.
i wanted to know is any one facing such kind problem. any one can suggest me what to do on it??????


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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:57 pm

Just wait 10 seconds from stopping b4 you place it into reverse Gear
AND push the lever right over to the right
Its Ok
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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:01 pm

Try and explain more about your problem! actuall i am not very clear about the trouble!!

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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:56 pm

Yes this comes sometimes, especially when one switches to the reverse gear a thud kind of noise....that seems to be another trademark on the noise front...though this noise doesnt seem to cause any other mechanical problem...
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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:04 pm

The reverse gear and the first gears are on the same shaft so they take a couple of seconds to be ready to change from one to the other ...Just wait and it is ok
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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:28 pm

hi,
thanks to all of you to respond . as asked by sAuMiL for knowing my point in detail its like this.
you start your car, if you try to put back gear then you can feel & hear that churning noise. i once again clear this noise do come after pressing complete cluch.

secondly, say i am driving. after some time if i want to reverse my car. i stop it at 0 speed, which means dead stop. i press cluch completely then pull back gear that disturbing noise comes.

well ashish, if this unwanted noise is there, may be not now but it will deteriorate the concerning part at much faster pace.

my service people do accept this problem. according to them if i want to change my gear to reverse gear, to avoid the noise, i should move to first gear then reverse gear.

i cant live this irritating noise every time i change to reverse gear. if any one can suggest any platform to make my problem loud & clear to these manufacturers of this car. i feel like putting this as PIL.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:33 pm

Haaaa
I have this as well I found out that if you press the gear lever (HARDER) across to the right and then into reverse gear !!
IT WORKS !!!! TRY IT you need to push the lever harder across to the right .I need to do this as well
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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:37 pm

hi martin,
thanks for your response. i feel may be your car manufacturing may be different as renault in INDIA is rolling his cars with mahindra.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:06 pm


It is Exactly the same car just a different name
look here

and also look at this pdf file of the Dacia Logan !!!! This will interest you
http://www.dacia-wien.at/dacia/images/stories/Dacia_Logan_Broschuere.pdf


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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:23 pm

what i ment to say is,
in INDIA renault & mahindra is having JV to manufacture & sell this car. what dealer has told me is design, engine & few more inputs renault is doing and remaining things mahindra is providing. the manufacturing platform changes, which is not be in your case.

the forward/ front gears are smooth enough.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:30 pm

Yes but 90% is Renault including Engine & Gearbox
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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:24 am

well here the JV is 51% & 49% between them either ways. the communication among us started regarding the back gear problem what i am facing. on the same problem if some one can comment or suggest shall be be appreciated.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:33 pm

When pulling the gear shift into Reverse Gear, if you notice, it may not have actually travelled fully into the gear slot, lightly release the clutch slowly while maintaining a pull on the on the Gear Shift. You will find that the Gear shift will move back another 5mm. This is the fully seated position.

If you try to fully reverse the clutch before doing this, the Reverse Gear slips, causing the noise
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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:28 pm

Surinder which car you were driving earlier? Also I never heard this problem from any one, may be it just need some fine tuning, I suggest you to visit Bhasin Motors Service in Delhi.

I would also suggest you to talk to Mr. Jayant from Mahindra at - 9810284503 and explain him feedback you got from Koncept.

Update us as well.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:42 am

no such issues in m car, no noises and the gears move smoothly, better to get ur car checked up, as no other user's have reported a similar issue till not in India
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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:46 pm

Hi ezee, tomlai & Dushie

i will talk to jayant in mahindra about it. i will get it checked in bhasin motor too.

thanks for your inputs.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Thu May 01, 2008 12:19 pm

I hope one has to bring the vehilce to dead stop before reversing. The simple reason is that reverse gears are not synchromesh type. They are Dog - collar type. They cannot be changed with the vehicle moving.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Thu May 01, 2008 12:42 pm

hi MedCon,

in my car this noise comes even after the car is dead stop and in case like i just start my car and the first thing i want to do is to apply back gear, this noise comes.

one thing what i want to share with you all that yesterday i had a talk with the DGM of koncept, my dealer. he has given me a assurance that by tomorrow he will give a final solution, as he is in touch mahindra for this problem.

i will inform you all after i get the response from him.

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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:54 am

I had this problem too and my clutch was not adjusted right. You should ask the people from service to do it.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:52 pm

its a comman thing in logan petrol
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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:58 pm

hi you all,

Its in the continuation for that noise come when we change to back/ reverse gear problem.


finally after constant follow up with my dealer, he arranged a joint meet one month back with mahindra official name sachin. He checked & it was concluded that the noise is there. as he was not a technical person, he called me today as some quality people from their Mahindra factory, Nasik supposed to come.

Then next person name Varma, checked. Now it has been concluded that it is in all the new & old cars of logan. Reason given to me that the back gear is not synchronized with engine thatís why this noise come. To make it cheap the engine is not synchronized.
The remedy according to them,
push it to gear one then to back.
press atleast clutch for 5- 10 sec.

While discussion they said that we generally drive in forward gear, the use of back gear is less.
Although its a constant problem but most people donít complain for it. Many more of their unacceptable justification. They were trying to convey me to live this noise.

After discussion & arguments I was told that a synchronizer is available, if that is fixed then the noise will not come.

Sachin has to confirm it in a day or so about it.

The car is good but atleast such kind of irritating noise problem should not be there.


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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:24 pm

His name is Shashank Verma - Manager Quality Assurance Logan TCF

You may contact him at: 0253-6608488 (Nashik)

I had a one hour meeting with him at Sterling Auto regarding all the problems, will post words in few days.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:02 pm

You tell that guy he is talking out of his arse !!! It is not normal for Logans to make noises when shifting into reverse gear. The reverse gear is on the first gear shaft and you do need to wait a second before engaging reverse gear it should then go in without any noise
ask for a try in another LOGAN and you will see it is a quiet shift
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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:08 pm

i completely agree with Stu.. this is a standard issue with many cars and all it needs is the right technique and patience.. it is not a problem of the JV or Mahindra..
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PostSubject: Re: 1.6: Problem in engaging reverse gear   Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:14 pm

Reverse gear shifting on Logan is Slick and precise, if not anything less.

Its only a matter of how long u take to get used to it.
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