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PostSubject: Re: Timing belt change recommendation    Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:43 pm

I cannot believe you didnt change the water pump ! It works so hard and when it starts to leek or scream it will cost you a BOMB to change because it is the same procedure as a new timing belt ! You cannot save money by going the cheapest way Guys !
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PostSubject: Re: Timing belt change recommendation    Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:59 pm

Hi,

The timing belt & bearing replaced. Cost of spares:
timing belt & tension bearing (came in a set) Rs.2100/-
Valves, guides, seal...... Rs.4-5000/- sorry don't have the exact amount. My father, very graciously did the buying, as I was at work.
Labour charges for valve seat grinding: Rs.1500/-
Labour charges, opening & fitting: Rs.3500/-
Towing charges Rs.1000/-

Water pump of good quality not available. hence not changed. tough luck. Will have to go through the routine again.

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PostSubject: Re: Timing belt change recommendation    Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:05 pm

Its a Very Clever Garage that did that work without changing the Pump  ! they will be rubbing there hands in anticipation and it will happen
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PostSubject: Re: Timing belt change recommendation    Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:12 am

I read each and every post on this thread, now I am dead scared about my 1.6GLX exactly 4yrs old and 68k KM without changing the timing belt, accesories belt, water pump, gaskets etc.
my service advisor has repeatedly requested me to get it changes quoting 3yrs or 60k KM, whichever is earlier. Couple of weeks back I heard a very odd noise from the some belt, not sure which one, but Still I am ignorant, dont know for what reasons. But some posts in this thread has given me a real wake up call and I will get the belts, water pump changes on Monday the 20-Aug

one more query, earlier when I used to stop my car the cooling fan used to rotate for some time, but for past one year there are no signs of cooling fan rotation after engine is turned off, even after 400km long drive, I didnt hear that running of cooling fan, Any views on this.
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PostSubject: Re: Timing belt change recommendation    Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:38 am

Your car is cooling OK !! and as for the timing belt ! Get it done you are now at the borderline ! Now the ball is in your court ! either get it changed or take the risk of buying  a new motor 
its not Rocket Science ! Would you drink a pint of milk if its sell buy date has gone by two months  ?? You will only get the shits ! But if that Belt snaps its more than the shits your going to get
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PostSubject: At last, Timing belt changed   Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:04 am

Finally got the timing belt and accessory belt replaced, total cost including tax ₹8128 (€110), out of which labour cost was ₹1500 rest was spare parts cost.

my service advisor was not at all convinced to replace water pump, he said in Logan he has never changed for any car in part 3years.
hence I did not argue. Now I feel safe to drive, without the fear of massive breakdown on highway.
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PostSubject: Re: Timing belt change recommendation    Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:10 am

Ah well so when the water pump leaks he will pay for the work involved
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PostSubject: Pics of Old belt and Invoice copy   Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:56 pm

Here comes the Old belt and Invoice copy




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PostSubject: Re: Timing belt change recommendation    Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:23 pm

Note that the water pump IS also in the Timing belt Kit
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PostSubject: Re: Timing belt change recommendation    Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:43 pm

Hi all, would like to know if in alternator pulley there is a little play would it be recommended to change it. 
Also My Diesel logan (2007) which has clocked 66400kms had a timing belt breaking issue last week, & hence resulting in 3 valves breaking, so they have sent me an estimate which I am attaching, please let me know if the parts listed by them are really required & if the total spares costing amounting to Rs.57,583 (inculding vat @12.5%) + labor additional is truely justified.....
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PostSubject: Re: Timing belt change recommendation    Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:49 pm

I think that is a good price ! You will have Oil a Belt new water plus additive new gaskets new valves and hopefully they put in a New Water Pump and pulleys  and I suspect maybe two new pistons if the valves hit the pistons and Bent the valves (and if not why not) and the question about the alternator belt is self explanatory after your capital damage
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PostSubject: Re: Timing belt change recommendation    Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:54 pm

But the timing Belt should not have broken at such a Low Kilometer stand ! You do not need to change the Belt in a Diesel until 120000 km or every 5 years ! (How old is your Car)
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PostSubject: Re: Timing belt change recommendation    Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:55 pm

Just seen its 6 years old !!!! WHY DID YOU NOT GET IT CHANGED !!!
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PostSubject: Re: Timing belt change recommendation    Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:50 pm

Yes Martin,
Thanx fr such a prompt reply. After my last service had hardly used this car. hence didnt want to spend much. Even as timing belts have never been on anyone's topmost prioritized to do list for such low kms. for any diesel vehicles, I suppose from now on all you Loganizers take the timing belt issue serious atleast for your logans as I have burnt my hands.
Martin if you notice on the estimates sent to me from Milestone, the tensioner should come along with the timing belt kit. also what is the 'heater plug' as it is also listed in another list sent separately and cost about Rs.6300/-?
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PostSubject: Re: Timing belt change recommendation    Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:04 pm

The heater plug is a Glow plug for cold start ! it must have got damaged ! What I cannot understand is after taking the motor to pieces they did not renew the waterpump ! and if it goes all that work needs to be done again It is a big job and The Pump is normally changed with the belt Look at my photo above Yes the problem with todays cars they have the rubber timing belt and people must keep to the timing belt change times or Like you they will find out the hard way
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PostSubject: Re: Timing belt change recommendation    Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:55 am

KartikeyanP wrote:
Here comes the Old belt and Invoice copy


Hi, Today morning I heard some abnormal noise from the Engine hood, then stopped to look for the trouble and shocked to see the Accessory Belt is tearing which was replace just couple of months back, It was half cut, not yet fully snapped, I parked the car aside and called the service center and they are arranging to get the car towed till the service center 25km away. here is the photo of the cut belt.


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PostSubject: Re: Timing belt change recommendation    Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:15 pm

Latest update, the belt was replaced on the road itself by the workshop guys, No need to Tow the vehicle with workshop. Vehicle back to normal, shall take it to workshop in the evening for thorough check up. Also need to fight with the Dealer for 6 months warranty claim on the Mahindra Spares.
On road assistance cost - Rs.1000/- and Spare belt cost 666/-



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PostSubject: Re: Timing belt change recommendation    Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:07 pm

Thats an alternator belt its not the timing belt !!!!
And I am impressed with the mechanics toolbox hahahaha
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PostSubject: Re: Timing belt change recommendation    Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:24 am

Yup its an alternator belt also connecting the lower steering and AC compressor. I tried updating in the same thread where previously posted the timing + alternator belt replacement.

about the tool kit, I am glad the guys came for resque in time and they also used my floor mats to get under the car.

but I wonder ths OEM part lasts 67k km and the spare not even 7k km
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PostSubject: Re: Timing belt change recommendation    Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:30 am

It sounds like they used a universal belt ! that was inferior do you have the belt ? there must be writing on the side and also they could have tightened it too Tight I hope not though or you could get problems with your alternator bearings or AC bearings
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PostSubject: Re: Timing belt change recommendation    Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:59 am

My logan has now completing 4 years and did 26000kms is it necessary to change the timing belt. When i check the belt no wear and tear in my inspection and the service centre people 2 months back told me that no need to change now later will change. Now tempeature will increase day by day due to summer so please tell me when i should change it.
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PostSubject: Re: Timing belt change recommendation    Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:38 am

 4 years change the belt or the motor its up to you 
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PostSubject: Re: Timing belt change recommendation    Sat May 24, 2014 12:22 pm

Took the car for service today as it had crossed 51,311 on the odo. Also nearing 7 years in September.
Told the service adviser to change the timing belt as i did not want to push my luck. Happy with the car for the last 6 years and 8 months, did not want any issues to come up. So getting the timing belt replaced, i also asked them to replace the water pump. The supervisor said no need to change that as it lasts long and was asking if there is any leakage. Also that if there is a issue it can be changed just 3 blots need to be removed. I told him there is no leakage, but i want to get both changed together so i do not have a issue for the next 5 years. After lot of persuasion and luckily the had the water pump in stock, he agreed to change the same. Did not want to take a risk as most of the times they never found the water pump in stock. So took the call and getting both received as Stu has strongly recommended this, we do not have much kms on the odo but my parents love the car and want to keep it for at least 3 more years if not more.

Let's see what the final bill comes out to be. The have increased the service charges. Coming up to Rs 2215 and another 400 for washing and cleaning. They have special discount of 15% labour and 5% on parts so taking advantage of that.

Hope this resolves most of the stuff and there is nothing else to worry about.


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PostSubject: Re: Timing belt change recommendation    Sat May 24, 2014 2:57 pm

you did the right thing mate !!! they like to change them separately and give you two wopping big bills
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