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PostSubject: Air condition   Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:48 am

When i start the A.C a particular sound is coming (TAK) .When i stop the A.C no sound is there. Is this sound is common .And i had not seen the radiator only coolant cayan is there . Why this vehicle has no raditor or is it in between the body and front grill. pls explain.Pls explain the speed and gear shifiting ration.When ever i put 1 st gear car RPM goes beyond 2000 how should it control between 1000 and 1500 rpm and pls explain the speed and gear shifting ratio.
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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:54 pm

I do not understand what you mean about changing gear !
If its this then Use the 2300 rpm between changes But a tip is you only need first gear to move the vehicle so you can change on a flat surface at 1000rpm and all the others by normal use
2000 to 2300 unless you feel a bit wild then put your foot to the floor you will not damage the engine as it has a governor
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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:41 pm

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...you will not damage the engine as it has a governor
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Can you elaborate on the Governor Stu?
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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:04 pm

It is something which will not let you over rev the engine especially diesel engines have this fitted or they would rev up till they blew up you can feel the governor its like hand held in front of you after a certain amount of revs The diesel is controlled from the pump where the petrol is worked (or used to be) by measuring the amount of air coming into the engine and at a certain amount of pressure the fuel would be cut off by a Butterfly valve
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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:23 am

Could this be the reason why my car feels as though being held back even though i rev hard on highways sometimes?
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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:12 pm

yes if you have taken it up into its highest revs range
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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:50 pm

I have taken it to 4500 and above but didn't experience anything of that sort. I really doubt if they have a 'governor' in our Logan Diesel. It is probably there on our govt buses.
On our bike models (Hero Puch) they limited the running-in speed by blocking the silencer partially.
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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:51 pm

I think if at all they did it in Logan then it would be through ECU programming.
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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:54 pm

Surya, how much has your car run? How far did you get on the tachometer?
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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:56 pm

Thomas, the 'tak' sound when you engage the a/c is normal. Yes, you will not hear it when you disengage it. Only a reduction in engine noise and rpm is all you will notice.
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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:38 pm

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Surya, how much has your car run? How far did you get on the tachometer?

I've run 35000 km+. I experienced that kind of effect around 3500 rpm, which is vry unusual. Also in those few days, it felt as though the turbo had a mind of its own and would kick-in anywhere between 1500-2500 rpm. Weird.

Its normal now though
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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:38 am

Thanks a lot Rajesh nambiar for your correct reply.Now one question how is the new add response of logan in south india any improvement in sales .
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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:36 pm

You are welcome, Thomas. I happened to see a couple of BS4 Logan.
I think only after 2 months or so can one gauge the effectiveness. Lets hope they rake in good numbers. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:29 pm

Does any one know what is the make of air conditioner unit installed on Logan and also what is the cooling capacity of the same
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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:48 pm

My AC is not turning on sometimes. Sometimes it's working and sometimes not. If I switch off the engine and AC at road signals, then again when I start the engine and then the AC, AC does not turn on.  Sometimes it shuts down automatically (which is normal) but not turning on back again. And this is happening now quite frequently. The service center guy scared the hell out of me saying that this may be due to faulty ECU and replacing it would cost me around Rs 40,000.


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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:29 pm

read this thread on a Renault Clio ! http://www.renaultforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=132283 have you had the AC serviced ie new fluid ?
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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:56 pm

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read this thread on a Renault Clio ! http://www.renaultforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=132283 have you had the AC serviced ie new fluid ?

Thanks Stu for the link. There everyone suspects of low refrigerant. This can be a possible reason for my case too, as I have never serviced my AC in 6 yrs and also since the last 2 yrs I feel the AC cooling is not as effective as it was before. People in the back seat of the car have been complaining of poor cooling of my car.
So it seems I have to refill AC gas to check if this problem goes away.
Also does ECU control the AC unit too. I took the car to service center thrice for this problem and they are unable to figure out the root cause. They once changed the AC pressure switch and when this did not solve the problem they suggest the only resort is to change the ECU.
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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:30 pm

Just verified from the service center that they already checked the refrigerant quantity present and it's not below the permissible lower limit. So something else is causing the problem Sad Sad. They have asked to keep the car with them for 3 days for detailed diagnosis....Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:36 pm

Hi Nayandeep, I think the service center guys will ask you to get the AC system overhaul done. They will need to open the dash and clean all related parts and put it back. I had got it done for my car 2 months back and it was fine again. 
By the way, have you ever had AC refrigerant loss in last 6 yrs?
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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:10 am

did you ever hear of legionnaires illness  http://www.patient.co.uk/health/Legionnaires%27-Disease.htm  Not to be joked about Guys !!! keep your AC system clean !!!!! VERY IMPORTANT !!!
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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:14 am

http://www.patient.co.uk/health/Legionnaires%27-Disease.htm
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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:35 am

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Hi Nayandeep, I think the service center guys will ask you to get the AC system overhaul done. They will need to open the dash and clean all related parts and put it back. I had got it done for my car 2 months back and it was fine again. 
By the way, have you ever had AC refrigerant loss in last 6 yrs?
2 yrs back my car AC gas needed to be removed for some car bonnet repair. After the repair they again refilled the refrigerant.

You said your's got fine. Did u have the same problem as mine?

The service center guys here said if the AC is serviced, there is a change of the Evaporator getting leaked. And as per them since the AC is getting cutoff unexpectedly this is a sure shot problem of the ECU which cost around Rs 40000. Still they want to keep the car for 3 days for proper diagnosis. I just handed over them my car.
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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:35 pm

I had this swooosh kind of sound coming in quite frequently when the AC was switched on. Initially it was a very mild noise but later it grew a bit louder. Eventually I realised that the cooling was not what it used to be. On the whole, this happened over a period of 6 months. Eventually, it came to a point where there was only warm air from the AC and the compressor would not kick in (could make out from the sound).

In the following service, when I asked my service advisor to chech it, he said he would do the AC overhaul and it would cost somewhere around 6k as the dash had to be removed. At that time I just asked him to top up the refrigerant and send it back as I needed the car.
It was fine for 2 months, but then last December the thing returned again.

This time however, the AC became ineffective within 2 weeks. As I was leaving for Japan, and the car wouldnt be used much I decided to get it done later. In May this year, I was traveling to India and asked my dad to get the AC work done. Since the overhaul was done, it is now fine again.

I share this information with you because the cservice center will try to rectify it through the elimination method. And this will be one of their solutions to confirm everything is fine.

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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:01 pm

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I had this swooosh kind of sound coming in quite frequently when the AC was switched on. Initially it was a very mild noise but later it grew a bit louder. Eventually I realised that the cooling was not what it used to be. On the whole, this happened over a period of 6 months. Eventually, it came to a point where there was only warm air from the AC and the compressor would not kick in (could make out from the sound).

In the following service, when I asked my service advisor to chech it, he said he would do the AC overhaul and it would cost somewhere around 6k as the dash had to be removed. At that time I just asked him to top up the refrigerant and send it back as I needed the car.
It was fine for 2 months, but then last December the thing returned again.

This time however, the AC became ineffective within 2 weeks. As I was leaving for Japan, and the car wouldnt be used much I decided to get it done later. In May this year, I was traveling to India and asked my dad to get the AC work done. Since the overhaul was done, it is now fine again.

I share this information with you because the cservice center will try to rectify it through the elimination method. And this will be one of their solutions to confirm everything is fine.

Surya
Hi Surya, thanks a lot for the info. so it seems it's around a month that AC is working fine. We might need some more time to confirm if this solved the issue. Here they are saying on doing the AC overhaul, the Evaporator might get leaked and that costs around 6k. This happens because they use to clean the evaporator with water and sometimes that causes the leakage.
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PostSubject: Re: Air condition   Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:36 pm

nayandeep wrote:
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...Here they are saying on doing the AC overhaul, the Evaporator might get leaked and that costs around 6k. This happens because they use to clean the evaporator with water and sometimes that causes the leakage.
Well nothing of that sort happened when my car was serviced.
Why don't you get an opinion from another service center?
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