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PostSubject: Injection Light popping up   Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:10 pm

Hi Guys a new problem has suddenly cropped up with my Logan. After I start the engine the injection light remains on for sometime and then goes off after 1 or 2 mins. This is happening quite frequently. One day it remained on and on until I restarted the engine.

During my last visit to the service center the MR service coordinator told me to go for the extended warrant because after some days this problem will come and will cost me aroung 15,000 bucks.

Now guys tell me isn't this too painful to incur such expenses on a car that cost me so much and only 2 yrs old with a total km driven as 19000
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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:11 pm

Nayan, if its to do with injection block then consider using 3M Diesel additive before overhauling the injectors. You have to use it 3 times. Each can treats 50ltrs of Diesel.
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http://solutions.3mindia.co.in/wps/portal/3M/en_IN/3MCarCare/3MCarCare/Products/Performance/Additives/Diesel-Fuel-Additive/
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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:44 pm

First you need to diagnose WHY the engine fault light is remaining on, what the error code is and then what to fix.

Initially, first see the instrument panel diagnostics to see if anything shows up, else you need to attach an OBDII code scanner (like the ones they have at the Mahindra Renault Workshop or a ScanGauge II) to see what Codes are showing up.

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Go through the following

1 Engine off
2 Press Instrument Panel button
3 Keeping button pressed, turn on ignition
4 Wait for speedo and tacho to self test.
5 Press button twice (after the LCD test) to see if there are any error codes and note these down
6 To revert, switch off ignition again


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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:11 pm

Well it can be a complex fault but the simple causes could be, specially if there is no other problem and rest all is normal
1. Faulty Glow Plugs
2. Water on Fuel Filter
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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:47 am

I have added one diesel additive I already have with me as Rajesh suggested. Let's c what happens. Actually I am really scared of going to service center now because since the car is no more under warranty they might spring up to loot me. Thanks guys for ur suggestions.

Also I will try Tom's procedure to get the error code if any.
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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:31 am

Do not use diesel additive its crap and will only benifit the manufacture or will you tell me that the average 40 ton truck pours 10 ltrs of the stuff into there tanks every fill up .With 19000 km I wouldnot class this car even as run in .Remove the battery for 2 minutes replace the battery and now get out on the open road and thrash the arse off this car give it a good run at high revs for 15 mins (I bet you do not drive fast ) I would suspect YOUR CATILISATOR IS GETTING BLOCKED AND NEEDS A GOOD RUN TO BLOW IT OUT
Dont laugh this is a BIG problem over here

and if this does not work then get the readout from the OBD
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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:11 pm

Thanx Martin. Yes u r right. I don't drive much above 60/70 kmph. I also don't over-reverb. Ok I will try this today itself. One thing I did notice that when the injection light comes up, once I am up on highways it disapperas automatically.
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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:48 pm

The Diesel additive was recommended by people at the service center. With the quality of diesel available here you could avoid opening up your engine regularly to clean your injectors. Please let's not associate cars to trucks and trains. They are poles apart.
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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:09 pm

I do agree that opening up the throttle could clear the blocks, if any. I have come across the odd knocking sound but if the throttle is opened up gradually and if the engine is allowed to get to 3000-4000 rpm between gear changes it seems to clear the knocking sound very soon.
One of the reasons for knocking is clogged or partially clogged injectors.
I did use 3M diesel additive three consecutive times with ordinary diesel and did notice that the knocking sound was eliminated atleast for a couple of thousand kms.
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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:11 pm

It may be that in Europe you get good diesel and hence people don't achieve the desired results?
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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:39 pm

I think its not the injectors that get blocked it is a part in the exhaust system If you have this partical filter in India
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I can only say though if you are having problems with dirty fuel and blocked injectors then Your Filter is not doing its job !!!
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A trucks Diesel motor works the same as your small Diesel Motor unless of course its a Rolls Royce Two Stroke Diesel
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So as for the filter if your fuel is so bad then you must change it more often or even add another filter this would give you a Primery and a secondry filter
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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:26 pm

Suppose kerosene is mixed with diesel, will it not lead to injectors getting clogged (gumming) and also knocking issues due to lower calorific value of the mixture? In such cases the diesel filter will have little or no use. If its particulate matter then, yes, the filter does come into the picture. The diesel pump too could come under severe strain.
The reason why I mentioned that trucks should not be compared is that they are used for load carrying and utility purposes, the engines are harsh as it is and the persons driving them mostly would not worry about knocking once in a while.
Are you saying if the EGR gets clogged it could lead to knocking issues?
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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:58 pm

Who is going to mix kerosin with diesel (Only in Winter and then a VERY small amount to prevent waxing) ? I have never heard of this and yes it will wreck the motor it would rot any rubber gaskets it got in the near of
Trucks drive at VERY low revs (I am an old truck driver ) BIG TRUCKS and its the gears that do the work I drove one truck with a JUMBO trailer across europe and it had only 130 bhp .and if the EGR gets clogged it will give you more power Mostly but a bad emission (BAD FOR THE ENVIROMENT)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhaust_gas_recirculation


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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:07 am

Also Knocking in a diesel engine is a name for the noise which comes from the Engine governor which controlls and stops more fuel being pumped to the motor .Because a Diesel is a hungry engine and it will take as much fuel as you give it until it explodes !!!! it is over here called Running away
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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:31 am

Hey the first day I tried Rajesh's advice (mixed a BPCL diesel additive). I haven't got back the annoying injection light through out the day. Yesterday I tried Martin's method. The light did'nt come up through out the day too. Let me keep my fingers crossed and hope the problem has been solved.
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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:43 pm

Nayan, good to know it hasn't popped up yet. Hope it remains that way. Thanks for your inputs, Stu. Here they do mix kerosene with diesel, all related to making a fast buck.
I was referring to the knocking noise from piston and the same was confirmed by the service advisor.
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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:49 pm

All diesels knock this is how they get there nicknames Knockers
and as for things popping up Mrs Stu would just love that Basketball
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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:08 pm

@rajeshnamb: are we saying that diesel from reputed pumps (HP, Indian Oil, Bharat Petroleum) has adulteration.

i would rather say that it is vehicle owners who indulge themselves in such tactics.
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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:46 pm

Adulteration is common throughout India, in some places it is more and in some places it is less.
To the best of my knowledge it is vehicles that are used for commercial purposes, mostly heavy vehicles, that indulge in such practices but we can also find exceptions like autorickshaws.
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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:22 pm

hey now some problem on my side...


i have two different indications popping during driving. they remain for 3 to 4 seconds and occur once or twice in a month.

1 is water in diesel filter indicator......what to do.....?

2 is preheating electric system/ electronic fault...... i read about it in handbook and it states that it is preheating done when the ignition is in M position and it goes off in few seconds before the engine is started.

but then it is also stated that if this indication popps out during drive or remains lit than it indicates electronic fault.


i l like to tell you that this lights come very rarely.....can anyone know their remedy or should i take it to service centre as i have 10 days of warranty left.....

why not to utilize it????????? Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:25 pm

ofcourse take it to service center.

there can be a possibility of weak battery or battery connections or battery not getting charged properly or battery loosing voltage amongst other more prominent possible reasons.
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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:53 am

Hitesh, go ahead and take it to the service center! The water in Diesel filter error happened with me as well, for me it was a system malfunction and they connected the OBDII and reset it, hope its the case with you as well and not something serious but waste no more time cause if its really a problem this may get serious!

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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:11 am

I second that !! lights dont go on for nothing get it into the garage and make a note that you put it in (or booked it in) before the warrenty ran out
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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:39 pm

Hi hitesh. My injection light problem did not go off completely. It did come up once or twice last week again. I took my car to service center and they said that they have not found any fault. If the light always remains on, then its a major repair work and it will cost me 17000 bucks. They did not even tested with the OBD device to find out the error code if any. Since my car is out of warranty they are deliberately trying hard to grab some money from me. Alo I complained for some door noise. they adjusted the door but made some dents around the side glass. I was so annoyed with this kind of service that I called up the Mahindra helpline immediately after returning home and complianed against Royal Motors, kolkata. Soon the assistant Manager from Royal Motors called me up and assured me that they will solve any problem I have and that I will be given special attention so that my service won't take long. So I will again visit them on Saturday and give them a good kick in the butt before they make a hole in my pocket. Will keep u posted guys.
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PostSubject: Re: Injection Light popping up   Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:14 pm

Aah ... lesson learnt ... extended warranty is probably a very good idea.
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