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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:12 pm

warranty gets over at 50,000 or 2 years whichever is earlier

and the prices mentioned on website are factory prices. and what dealer charges you includes taxes and transportation etc
so they arent cheating you crazy cat
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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:47 am

HITESH HANDA wrote:
warranty gets over at 50,000 or 2 years whichever is earlier

and the prices mentioned on website are factory prices. and what dealer charges you includes taxes and transportation etc
so they arent cheating you crazy cat
The timing belt price mentioned in the website is Rs. 1480 but they charged me Rs. 5357 + VAt and service tax
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Here is the bill of 60000km service Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:39 am

I dont know about you but I find 259 Euro for all that work is good
you have been charged for the work involved as well which is correct
so you have a good bargain .The timing belt is a big job and it MUST be done for if it snaps you can kiss your motor Good bye
I Dont think that you have been ripped off here in Germany I would have to pay 39418 Rs for that work
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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:28 pm

Why don't you write to Mahindra and clarify the prices (parts and labour)?
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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:27 pm

@Crazy Cat: Well this definitely does not look cheap. But may be justified.

How much total amount have you approximately spent after Logan maintainence so far since you bought it?

Pls provide this net amount.
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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:25 pm

Why you are going through these maintenance again n again, is is just scheduled jobs or any run repair kinda things?

As per my knowledge Renault DCi engines do not require any overhaul before atleast 1,50,000 - 200,000 KM's, then why your car is going under every major work?
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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:56 pm

Hey i had a word with NBS which is a company owned outlet in Mumbai.

Here are the findings:-

60000/3yrs Timing belt - Cost - Rs. 6036 with Labour and VAT (same as your bill amt.)
30000/1 yrs Power Steering Belt
60000/2 yrs Brake Fluid

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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:56 pm

@ ezee, the NBS guy told me tat this is mentioned in the Manual!

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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:46 am

@martin, well Logan is a VFM car by name. This is the least we can expect from it. I just checked the bills of Innova which has clocked 1,80,000 km, and the bill has never crossed rs.10000 and it lays around rs.5000 for most of the services. I've neer heard of such bills from any car in this segment. It may sound different to you, but we were spoiled by our Indian car makers.

@mir, will update the complete bill details by tomorrow.

@ezee, yeah it is mentioned on the manual to replace them, as said by saumil.

@saumil, I'm sorry to say this, but Logan is slowly nearing its end of life in India. It is indeed a great car, but service spoils it. My grievance is after spending all the money, the service is not good. They couldn't even fix rattling noises, it comes from under the hood, on the doors and dash board, it rattles just like a public bus on bad roads. Overall no perfection. Their stinginess can be seen with the their attitude of charging for even water wash.

All Logan owners, watch out, you will get very high bills once you clock more than 50,000kms. So is the reliability of Renault Logan
I know that many won't agree with me, as this is a Logan based forum with Logan fans. But this is the true fact. It is out of my experience.
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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:49 am

CRAP
@saumil, I'm sorry to say this, but Logan is slowly nearing its end of life in India. It is indeed a great car, but service spoils it. My grievance is after spending all the money, the service is not good. They couldn't even fix rattling noises, it comes from under the hood, on the doors and dash board, it rattles just like a public bus on bad roads. Overall no perfection. Their stinginess can be seen with the their attitude of charging for even water wash.

I can only say Crap this is coming from a biased person (CHILD) no ideas of a vehicle of the Logan type .and also from a person who is afraid to go to his local garage and complain about the service


NEXT CRAP

after 29 posts on this forum and from day one negative what more can I say
here is his last piece of his post (In my eyes very unprofessional)

All Logan owners, watch out, you will get very high bills once you clock more than 50,000kms. So is the reliability of Renault Logan
I know that many won't agree with me, as this is a Logan based forum with Logan fans. But this is the true fact. It is out of my experience.
Let us look at this guys age !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOW he is 19 this tells me I should listen to this guy as he is 19 and full of information (or shit) sorry mate come back to the forum later when you have grown up and give us your views on a Vehicle .Christ almighty you are still a KID and you post such shit .!!!!!I have driven ,more KM backwards than you have forwards .............Please try this website its more for you
http://www.kids.com/
Get a lifr young man and also get a car !!! I do not believe you are a car owner and if you are it is not a LOGAN

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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:50 am

Sorry guys
That had to come out
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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:51 pm

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I know that many won't agree with me, as this is a Logan based forum with Logan fans. But this is the true fact. It is out of my experience.

@martin, very funny. That's why i already said. Know before you post sir, you can't compare your country's cost with ours. Logan is not our first vehicle and also is not our only vehicle now. We have two other Common rail turbo cars. And my close relatives have too, all cars including ours are high mileagers. We usually drive them atleast 80000km, some even has crossed 1,50,000kms and still going on. Earlier when i posted my bill in another forum, saumil came there and said no one has ever got that high bill in our forum(clublogan). And as per his request, i came here to post it. Now saumil has confirmed the prices to be true. It is clear from this that even saumil never expected this much high prices, so as the members in other automotive forums(and many there are quite matured, read old enough to talk about this). I can give the links of it, if it is not against forum rules.
Where did i give any negative review sir. Infact i loved Logan as a product, i've mentioned many times in my review. It is the service that ruins. What is the use of buying a low priced car with good FE, which gives out rocket high service costs and that increases with every service.

martin245 wrote:

NEXT CRAP

after 29 posts on this forum and from day one negative what more can I say
here is his last piece of his post (In my eyes very unprofessional)
It is not the number of posts that matters, not here, not in any forums. I'm not a member in this forum alone. I've provided enough content here. I gave an idea to all Logan owners, how much they have to shell out at 60k km service.

And yeah Martin sir, i never asked you to listen to me. This is a public forum and all can express their views. And also i believe there will be a rule like, no personal attacks on members. Here you called me, an adult to be a kid and my post to be a crap. Not all can post in a attractive manner, but i've provided enough proof to prove my side and they'll do the talking.
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WOW he is 19 this tells me I should listen to this guy as he is 19 and full of information (or shit) sorry mate come back to the forum later when you have grown up and give us your views on a Vehicle .Christ almighty you are still a KID and you post such shit .!!!!!I have driven ,more KM backwards than you have forwards .............Please try this website its more for you
http://www.kids.com/
Get a lifr young man and also get a car !!! I do not believe you are a car owner and if you are it is not a LOGAN
Are these words from a professional presented in a professional manner? I'm a member in some other forums too. Go check there, whether i've a car or not and if yes, how many are there.
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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:12 pm

Hi CC,
I must say a very well written review. Smile
I agree on the spare parts cost thing, I've heard this from many other owners too.
After collabration with M&M, Both car makers should try hard to improve their ASS.


martin245 wrote:
CRAP
@saumil, I'm sorry to say this, but Logan is slowly nearing its end of life in India. It is indeed a great car, but service spoils it. My grievance is after spending all the money, the service is not good. They couldn't even fix rattling noises, it comes from under the hood, on the doors and dash board, it rattles just like a public bus on bad roads. Overall no perfection. Their stinginess can be seen with the their attitude of charging for even water wash.

I can only say Crap this is coming from a biased person (CHILD) no ideas of a vehicle of the Logan type .and also from a person who is afraid to go to his local garage and complain about the service


NEXT CRAP

after 29 posts on this forum and from day one negative what more can I say
here is his last piece of his post (In my eyes very unprofessional)

All Logan owners, watch out, you will get very high bills once you clock more than 50,000kms. So is the reliability of Renault Logan
I know that many won't agree with me, as this is a Logan based forum with Logan fans. But this is the true fact. It is out of my experience.
Let us look at this guys age !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOW he is 19 this tells me I should listen to this guy as he is 19 and full of information (or shit) sorry mate come back to the forum later when you have grown up and give us your views on a Vehicle .Christ almighty you are still a KID and you post such shit .!!!!!I have driven ,more KM backwards than you have forwards .............Please try this website its more for you
http://www.kids.com/
Get a lifr young man and also get a car !!! I do not believe you are a car owner and if you are it is not a LOGAN

Stuart
Martin, Thats not a way to speak buddy.
BTW, Are personal attacks allowed on this forum?Suspect
If not then Where are the mods???
Please Delete/Edit posts which doesn't adds value to forum.


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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:32 pm

Cat your brilliant.

VERY VERY COSTLY SPARES ( donít go by their information on website. Check the autocar review of march-april issue and you will know that their most parts are atleast twice any other car of same segment)

Wow your just 19 and your able to say the right things, what Auto experts are saying.

Cat, I like your response and your respect.
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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:52 pm

Guys, chill out !!!
Why such instances are frequenting on this forum?

We have a case where a member feels he has over spent on maintainence.

We have discussed on indian market etc.. on several ocassions. It is quite clear that it is not the same.

One more thing to note is we do not have any member on this forum whom atleast i come across in here, who is from India and has a Logan which is 60k old except @CrazyCat. So we do not know the reality. We can only anticipate.

I wait for the total expenditure so far going in maintainence. However with this figure i am not gonna do any magic. But it gives some fair and relative figures w.r.t 60,000 km figure.

I learnt Timing Belt has to be changed at 60k kms.
Is this true? I can not understand why is this?
Is it only for diesel engines or for both?
Servicing / Realignment of Timing Belt may be OK but replacing it alltogether at 60k seems unjustified.

I have mentioned similar views on this car in Indian market
http://mahindralogan.forumotion.com/mahindra-renault-f2/are-you-satisfied-with-your-logan-t360-105.htm

I can see i am not the only one feeling that way.

As per my information sharing with people / used car dealers from various geographical locations, mostly developing / under developed nations spread across south africa, east africa, mediterranean, far east asia, central asia, eastern europe below seems to be publicly expected priorities on vehicle manufacturers when it comes to parts cost and maintainence. Bear in mid that same rankings do not apply to other factors like ergonomics, comfort, luxury, safety, design etc.. Each stream has very different outcomes.

American (highest) [e.g. chrysler, chevrolet, saab, ford]
German [e.g. audi, bmw, volksvagen, skoda]
Italian [e.g. fiat]
French [e.g. citroen, renault, peugot]
Korean [e.g. hyundai, kia]
Japanese (lowest) [e.g. suzuki, toyota, honda, nissan, mitsubishi]

Cant really say where Indian vehicles fit in there as they are mostly mix of above. Also no reliable feedback received from India so far. Major problem is every dealer / car owner is biased towards the brand they deal in / own. Lack of transparency.

Also let me tell that these are my personal findings.
Wherever i travel i definitely dicusss such things as soon as i get the opportunity.

Japanese cars rank highest in Resale value as well.

going by above chart if it is to be believed, as it is not any official statement, makes obvious that cost of maintaining renault will be higher than that of toyota or a maruti.

what is equally important is to see how frequently maintainence and parts change is needed in each make...

well it is too deep a study and equally complicated.

for now lets focus on the fact that how much did @crazycat spend till date.
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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:25 pm

Yea this is also available at Clublogan.com, i actually cant locate this on the MR website as of now, can u pls paste the address here

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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:32 pm

@prakash, thanks. I didn't mean to offend anyone. I'm just posting my experience with Logan here, true to the fact. I'd be satisfied, even if the cost matches the prices available in ACI parts survey. The money i paid is more than that mentioned in ACI's parts survey.

@Mir, i've the service record in my hand now(all records are maintained in our office), but i've only from 20k kms service, all paid services. First three free services' bills are not available currently. All paid services has costed a total of 51289, this excludes cost of tyres, AC works, alignment, waxprotection, rust protection, and interior cleanings. Will update the cost of first three services, as soon as i get them.

@saumil, are you asking for official websites' parts list? ere it is
http://mahindrarenault.com/logan_partsprice_diesel.html

Mentioning one price in the website and collecting much higher price in reality. Isn't this cheating by misrepresentation?
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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:45 pm

Wax, Rust, Nitrogen Air, Accessories, Interior cleaning etc. anyways should be out.

51289 Question
is very high. exorbitant is the word clicking instantly.
almost INR 1 per km. This was not something anticipated and defies statement that Logan is low on maintainence cost, specially in case of @crazycat.

Do we have any other diesel engine review on what was the cost incurred? if not here on any other portal. if anyone has ever come across kindly do share the links.

Need for a second opinion felt.

@crazycat: i assume you are not using the machine for anything other than personal use.
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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:36 pm

Yeah it was used only for personal use. Like i said, we travel a lot.
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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:03 pm

This looks to be on the higher side. The next time I am at the service centre, I will speak to a couple of cab drivers and find out about the costs they have incurred so far.
Crazy cat, do scan the bill and upload. Also do you change your engine oil every 5000kms?
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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:31 pm

@ Crazycat,
I did take up your issue with Mahindra HO and they said that the prices mentioned are right. The price mentioned on the website is only of the Belt and not of the SET as mentioned in the bill. Awaiting more clarifications from a more technically sound engineer on the same. SET either may be the setting needed for the the belt to be assembled (not a minor job i presume) or some other parts along with it which is Why it is called a SET. Now, for your satisfaction, i also had a word with Maruti Service center Autovista and enquired about the Dzire timing belt replacement schedule and they Surprisingly say it is 40,000 KMS instead of Logans 60,000. The price also is similar. Will confirm and let you know.

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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:51 pm

Vibhor wrote:
Hi CC,
I must say a very well written review. Smile
I agree on the spare parts cost thing, I've heard this from many other owners too.
After collabration with M&M, Both car makers should try hard to improve their ASS.


martin245 wrote:
CRAP
@saumil, I'm sorry to say this, but Logan is slowly nearing its end of life in India. It is indeed a great car, but service spoils it. My grievance is after spending all the money, the service is not good. They couldn't even fix rattling noises, it comes from under the hood, on the doors and dash board, it rattles just like a public bus on bad roads. Overall no perfection. Their stinginess can be seen with the their attitude of charging for even water wash.

I can only say Crap this is coming from a biased person (CHILD) no ideas of a vehicle of the Logan type .and also from a person who is afraid to go to his local garage and complain about the service


NEXT CRAP

after 29 posts on this forum and from day one negative what more can I say
here is his last piece of his post (In my eyes very unprofessional)

All Logan owners, watch out, you will get very high bills once you clock more than 50,000kms. So is the reliability of Renault Logan
I know that many won't agree with me, as this is a Logan based forum with Logan fans. But this is the true fact. It is out of my experience.
Let us look at this guys age !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOW he is 19 this tells me I should listen to this guy as he is 19 and full of information (or shit) sorry mate come back to the forum later when you have grown up and give us your views on a Vehicle .Christ almighty you are still a KID and you post such shit .!!!!!I have driven ,more KM backwards than you have forwards .............Please try this website its more for you
http://www.kids.com/
Get a lifr young man and also get a car !!! I do not believe you are a car owner and if you are it is not a LOGAN

Stuart
Martin, Thats not a way to speak buddy.
BTW, Are personal attacks allowed on this forum?Suspect
If not then Where are the mods???
Please Delete/Edit posts which doesn't adds value to forum.


VT

What do you want from a forum ??? Would you like to hear that the world is ok and nobody speaks up !? are you a Logan owner ? do you realise that 99% of people wanting to buy a new Logan will look on this site and when they read a lot of the so called write ups there hair will stand on end and they will just forget the Logan idea .and dont forget the less cars that are sold the faster that the LOGAN will vanish from the Indian Mkt .I dont mind reading real problems like Bonnet catches and door locks .But when it comes to the price of parts and labour .!!!Why not find out before the vehicle is taken to the garage .Find out the price and take with you the Mahindra Pricelist and ask why the difference .Do you Guys think that Saumil can get you your money back ??
and as for personal attacks If the cap fit wear it
You complaind earlier about Mods being too powerfull
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@Saumil; Thanks buddy and yeah i was in aci but now I've left that forum because their mods/admins don't know how to respect their member(and that too most active one!)..so now you can say that I'm from The Automotive India. Smile UNQUOTE

I am also one of the most active ones

OK I will get off my Box now pirat
Stu
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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:20 pm

one more thing to notice out here is...
Logan is preferred as a public utility vehicle deployment scenarios.

if the maintainance is higher related to other cars in the segment i do not think this would be the case.

e.g. On bangalore airport i learn there are many logan taxis.

can some one vet this?

from another angle, maintainance that @crazycat says he spent is definitely expensive. but this does not justify that if there was some other car of the same segment he would have ended paying less.

i also request forum members to participate on the below topic and provide their figures.
http://mahindralogan.forumotion.com/technical-f6/maintenance-cost-figures-t418.htm

So far we have 3 postings and it is seen that the maintainance in all three cases is averaging to INR 0.26 per km with highest run car having 30k kms on meter.
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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:07 pm

well ... people still prefer to buy a GM car or Fiat inspite of all recent news than a Logan, which as of now has no future in India. Now dont tell that Indians are stupid, they have enough knowledge to get value of their hard earned money.

Not sure how long Carlos G. and Anand M. will walk together, becuase a solid reason behind tieup with Mahindra was a JV in their Chennai plant from where they planned to manuf cars for whole world, but Mahindra pulled out from that JV, resulting a new tieup with Bajaj to produce low cost cars.

Also forums like this contribute very little to buyers (till now 22000 read this forum, that actually comes around 30% less unique visitors out of around 1 crore prospective buyers), its the brand creadibility, market share and trust which contributes. May be only 0.1% who change idea due to this forum which only comes to only 0.5 buyers out of 427 units sold in the month of May, 2009.

Regarding Logan is a hit car in other countries, I am sure if you survey, lot people will ask you where is this Romania - where Logan sales are at peak, India is totally different demography, culture and mindset. If americans eats 500 acre size of pizza per day that does not mean that we should also eat that much.

For reasons behind a flop product - None of us able to see any advertising efforts being done for Logan, no paper ads, no TV ads ...... nothing, with its high maintenance cost and increase in parts price with damn costly labour charges, if they still assume that Logan will pickup sales just becuase its a hit in Romania ... I am sorry but this will not work and we all are witnessing the slow death of Logan and our hard earned money.

And yes for all other giving nice advices and positive feedbacks - Its very difficult to be satisfied with a product which has maximum number of unsatisified owners.
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PostSubject: Re: Logan 60000kms report   Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:28 pm

Agree with @ezee except the satisfaciton point. I am satisfied with the product but see an end to future of this thing, for sure.

However similar discussions have happened at least in one another topic.
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