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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Sun May 25, 2008 6:01 pm

I can tell you this and it is not nice !! You seem to be getting sold the
Logan that was first made for Dacia it is a basic no thrills no ABS no Airbag no Boot opener from the year 2005
Its the leftovers of the Euro Dacia and due to our laws cannot be sold
here so they found a market for the cars and spares (They couldnot
throw them could they) and it is known that India do buy up old
factorys COMPLETE and ship them back to India look at Royal Enfield
Thank god you recued that lovely Bike
But you should make your feelings felt and demand the same Logan as we have it is not Mahindra you need to get on to it is Renault.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Sun May 25, 2008 6:34 pm

Stuart!
I get wat u are talking but its not the case with just the Logan, its with many other cars! Many New and Old cars made here are without ABS or Airbags! It may b offered as a 'luxury' as mentioned earlier in the Top End Versions of some cars. Simply put, since its not a norm here the manufacturers will get away with it and sell some cheap cars in INDIA, By that i mean, since the cost of ABS and Airbags is cut, it may seem to be a cheaper alternate to the other cars with those addons! India is a VERY PRICE SENSITIVE Market but people dont understand that MONEY CANT BUY LIVES!! Unfortunately, i was one of them when i booked my car, too late now...

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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Mon May 26, 2008 12:32 pm

Where the Indian automotive industry needs to mature to is the level where Safety Features like ABS and Airbags are NOT linked to the Luxury accessories of the car.

I can well do without power windows, rear seat headrests, fancy music system, etc. etc. but I would certainly have chosen a Safer Variant, for a bit more money, which had the ABS and Airbags included.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Mon May 26, 2008 1:15 pm

Tomlai,
Rightly said but try and understand, The Rear seat headrest isnt just a luxury feature, its a SAFETY Measure!! It works in case of a 'Whiplash' in accidents, and the Logan has done well by providing 3 of them since here in India, we normally drive with (atleast Wink ) 3 people on the back seat. The headrests have proved to be Life savers too

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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Mon May 26, 2008 8:06 pm

So is there any way that we can fix ABS and Air Bag?
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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Mon May 26, 2008 9:14 pm

tomlai wrote:
Where the Indian automotive industry needs to mature to is the level where Safety Features like ABS and Airbags are NOT linked to the Luxury accessories of the car.
Sad that our car manufacturers think otherwise.

Prakash wrote:
So is there any way that we can fix ABS and Air Bag?
no, they can not be retrofitted.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Tue May 27, 2008 6:11 pm

Yes give the car back and Demand one for the same price as us europeans
with it all inc headrests x5 I have everything except AC and elec wind behind .even my elec mirrors are heated
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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:24 pm

My logan has done 6000kms.
12-13/ltr in the city(under extreme GZB conditions)(With 100% AC)
16/ltr on the highway.....so far so good....isint it Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:54 pm

Hey adam,
nice mileage in d city...
Please do remember to post the same in MILEAGE thread.

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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:32 pm

@Prakash: You dont seem to be proud of your car. BETTER SELL IT OFF...

I am saying this because i am seeing you to be the first person on this forum with so many issues which are unconventional on logan and not heard of.

e.g. Logan is extremely safe on highways and you are claiming otherwise. Logan simply wont shake on highway, mark my words... i have done 1200 highway travel in the first 3000 kms of my Logan.


• Told him the steering week is hard, he immediately said that is the default behavior.
--- Steering is harder then other cars. This is since it is a Hydraulic Power Steering and not Electric Power Steering. Reason is cost effectiveness. You cant get a Logan at the price you paid for, otherwise.

• Complained about the hard clutch, he said other cars use hydraulic clutch and Logan uses cables, so it will be hard.
--- Even if it is, can be adjusted.

• Engine noise is bit more than other petrol vehicles like santro and fiesta, he replied yes that is how all Logan petrol cars are.
--- dont know about fiesta or santro.
--- Generally after first service (approx 1500 kms) it just goes off in Logan. Till the first service there it is a bit noisy then normal and sounds nearer to diesel.

• Told him pickup is unacceptably slow and performs really bad in ghat roads, he replies, we tested it against the new car, so no that is the expected behavior
--- Pick up though lower then Santro, Fiesta. However on highway it simply glides and cruises. Unbeatable...
--- Within city limits yes, smaller the better. Within a speed limit of 40 kmph all small cars will outperform Logan, including our good old maruti 800.
However on unlimited access motorways, Logan proves itself upto satisfactory extent. City kings cant even run somewhere near to 170 kmph due to their obvious cc/bhp constraints.

• Told him some times while applying break it makes sound, he replied that is a common problem in Logans
--- Never experienced this.. Cant comment.
One thing to note here is if sudden brakes are applied hard at high speeds above 50 kmph brakes are going to behave wierd. This is true for any car and not just Logan.
Braking any machine at higher speed is generally a process where anticipation plays important role so that brakes can be applied smooth rather then sudden.
Sudden braking should be used only for emergency situations, situations which went wrong though anticipated.

• Getting some sound when I apply for reverse gear
--- Are you engaging reverse gear right? generally any car's reverse gear will sound if not engaged correctly....
--- As a general rule the car has to stop completely before engaging reverse gear.
--- Also if the car is on handbrake then handbrake has to be released before engaging reverse gear.
--- Basic idea is the gear box must be ready to engage into reverse.


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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:35 am

The logan does have a problem with engaging reverse gear (not all but it a known problem)Hey Mir sometimes I have problems getting what you mean .....like beat 14 Glx you have one ! so you wont beat it Stu
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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:35 am

martin245 wrote:
The logan does have a problem with engaging reverse gear (not all but it a known problem)Hey Mir sometimes I have problems getting what you mean .....like beat 14 Glx you have one ! so you wont beat it Stu

Sirji, edited the post...
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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:15 pm

Please let me know by PM what was edited out the last posting from MirStu
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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:25 pm

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"""""Hey adam,
nice mileage in d city...
Please do remember to post the same in MILEAGE thread""""
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I surely will do that. Thanks.

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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:34 pm

Hey Admins, Is there any seperate thread that talks about the reverse gear issue? Since stu mentioned, I d like to add that it is indeed true for me as well.

The first time i reverse, it slots in fine, like butter..however, after after no matter what i do, it d get stuck and make that cranky noise.......Damn!!!!

Anyone else suffering as well???

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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:17 am

Just like mine it works great and then it just wont go in I find if I press harder across  the gear leaver  in direction reverse it seems to help  But I am not letting it bother me I have lots of time and this mini problem will not cause me any heart attackStu 
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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:51 pm

Hi Prakash,

I have diesel Logan. i don't have mileage or pickup problem.

But the fact is Logan is not designed for India. It is for a country with good roads and neat environment and mostly automatic transmission.

in my opinion these is the car with more no of problems in Indian car market.
any car is better then this one.

sorry if iam offending any Logan fans.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:54 pm

@diwanras:
pls share details on how you feel it does not suit india and indian roads.
if you can simply jot down points that you feel are against indian road / climate conditions that would be great.

we would like to know the details.

Reason why i am asking you is
The developers have taken into account several differences between road and climate conditions in developed and developing countries. The Logan suspension is soft and strong, and the chassis sits visibly higher than most other supermini cars to help it negotiate dirt roads and potholes on ill-maintained asphalt roads. The engine is specially prepared to handle lower quality fuel, whereas the air conditioning is powerful enough to lower temperature several degrees (above 40°C are common in the Middle East and Mediterranean Sea).

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacia_Logan
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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:19 pm

The parts changed till now under warranty
* Engine [ due to coolant oil mix]
* Clutch
* four tyres
* door catchers
* Now A/c coil

* So much of rattling noise. After changing the catchers its fine now but hte dash noise is there. If it has been designed for the Indian roads we should not see this kind of issue.

* clutch is very hard. Worst then a truck clutch. if you drive this car on city traffic is such a pain. Again steering is very hard.

This car is very good if you have driver to drive it. It not a fun to drive car.

* A/c coil issue. I have used cars for more then 1.5 lakh kms and haven't changed the A/c coil. but in Logan within 30k kms we changed the coil.

* A/c is not effective. in chennai especially now [temp close to 40] its really very difficult.
I have Fiesta and Scropio and both these vehicles A/c is much better.


you can see how many parts manufacturer has changed in my car within one year.

With all this problems how can i say Logan is a realiable car.
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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:20 pm

its utter rubbish in my eyes what you are writing #1 The Logan is made for more country than India .India has just come on the scene It is sold in Countrys like Bulgaria Rumania Russia Brazil (pretty hot there ) Mexico where I can tell you they have a lot worse roads then you could immagine .and weather with thing like pluse 40 to MINUS 40 as any Russian will tell you! we have a couple here on the forum #2 My logan has now over 30000 km without any problem I have driven it through Germany France Belgium Holland England and in the Alps and on the Highspeed German Autobahns i can sit at 150 kmh and have no problems .and the cluch you say feels like a truck .I am a truck driver and have been driving trucks (some over 150 tons )since 1970 and if you think the Logan clutch is like a trucks then let me have a drive in that truck .The biggest problem with the car is that some people pretend to own one when they do not and then try to make other people unhappy .this is also done through firms which plant people into the forums to cause disruption another name for it is WORM
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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:02 am

Stu, everyone has right to voice their opinion.



I just cannot afford to incur the loss, by selling it out Else I would.



If we go over the forum, we can find the issue that every one faces

1) Rattling of doors and dash

2) Pathetic pick up in first and second gear

3) Break is not adequate

4) Reverse gear is an issue

5) AC is not as good as hyped

6) Hard clutch

7) Hard steering, it may due to bad tyre, then why the heck Mahindra is shipping with such tyres

Cool Low mileage in city (this issue is only for me)
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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:34 am

Your car can NOT have a bad pick up in 1st Gear !!!!
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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:49 am

Are you guys sure when you write stuff like these?

What do you guys mean by NO pickup in 1st gear?

If you think your car will be propelled to some 40-50 km speed in 1st gear, then sorry but u r wrong!! You will kill your engine.

There is something called as gear throws.
1st is supposed to get vehicle in motion. thats all.
from there on its the job or the other gears to manage motion.

If its a diesel u own, then immediatey after vehcile starts moving in 1st move to second and raise it. After 1800 rpm, you will feel the pull, when the turbo kicks in.

Have you tried climbing uphill with 5 people on board?

I HAVE WITH 6 FULL GROWN ADULTS PACKED INSIDE.
And the car never complained. The only time I had to put it in 1st gear was when there was a pothole in the steep hairpin bend.

Have you gone thru the diaries of other car owners like swift, palio, ikon, fiesta or even SX4 and verna's??

They have their own set of problems. Some get charged free and there are those with bills that come to almost 8000 rupees per rectification of faults.

It is only what you can choose to live with and what you cannot.

What was the main reason you purchased LOGAN??
If you really are a motorhead or quality disciple, then why not throw in a couple of lacs more and take some other vehicle??

I am not discouraging or personally attacking anyone.

Any criticim is welcome. BUT, PLEASE KEEP A BROADER PERSPECTIVE WHEN ANALYSING THINGS.

Nothing in this world can be 100%


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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:51 am

AT Last someone that can talk sense and you are 100% correct the first gear is to move the car away from the spot (unless you are called Lewis Hamilton) and then into 2nd gear Hell its a LOGAN not a Jaguar or BMW .It is not the attacking its more of being attacked
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PostSubject: Re: 1.4: Overall Logan experience   Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:50 am

Martin,
you may not experience the problems mentioned in this thread because you are driving this car in europe.


I have a diesel and i don't have problems with Pickup. Pickup is not lightning because its 65bhp engine. The problems which i have mentioned are experienced by everyone and i am not sure how much of idea you have on Indian road conditions.
Regarding the clutch, you much be applying the clutch maximum of 30 times in 10 kms run in Germany whereas in our city - chennai for 10 kms dirve i will be using the clutch most of time and average speed is 20 kms and the time taken to cover the distance is almost 45minutes.

now you think of using this hard clutch and covering this 10kms.
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