@ Crazycat,
I did take up your issue with Mahindra HO and they said that the prices mentioned are right. The price mentioned on the website is only of the Belt and not of the SET as mentioned in the bill. Awaiting more clarifications from a more technically sound engineer on the same. SET either may be the setting needed for the the belt to be assembled (not a minor job i presume) or some other parts along with it which is Why it is called a SET. Now, for your satisfaction, i also had a word with Maruti Service center Autovista and enquired about the Dzire timing belt replacement schedule and they Surprisingly say it is 40,000 KMS instead of Logans 60,000. The price also is similar. Will confirm and let you know.

one more thing to notice out here is...
Logan is preferred as a public utility vehicle deployment scenarios.

if the maintainance is higher related to other cars in the segment i do not think this would be the case.

e.g. On bangalore airport i learn there are many logan taxis.

can some one vet this?

from another angle, maintainance that @crazycat says he spent is definitely expensive. but this does not justify that if there was some other car of the same segment he would have ended paying less.

i also request forum members to participate on the below topic and provide their figures.
http://mahindralogan.forumotion.com/technical-f6/maintenance-cost-figures-t418.htm

So far we have 3 postings and it is seen that the maintainance in all three cases is averaging to INR 0.26 per km with highest run car having 30k kms on meter.

well ... people still prefer to buy a GM car or Fiat inspite of all recent news than a Logan, which as of now has no future in India. Now dont tell that Indians are stupid, they have enough knowledge to get value of their hard earned money.

Not sure how long Carlos G. and Anand M. will walk together, becuase a solid reason behind tieup with Mahindra was a JV in their Chennai plant from where they planned to manuf cars for whole world, but Mahindra pulled out from that JV, resulting a new tieup with Bajaj to produce low cost cars.

Also forums like this contribute very little to buyers (till now 22000 read this forum, that actually comes around 30% less unique visitors out of around 1 crore prospective buyers), its the brand creadibility, market share and trust which contributes. May be only 0.1% who change idea due to this forum which only comes to only 0.5 buyers out of 427 units sold in the month of May, 2009.

Regarding Logan is a hit car in other countries, I am sure if you survey, lot people will ask you where is this Romania - where Logan sales are at peak, India is totally different demography, culture and mindset. If americans eats 500 acre size of pizza per day that does not mean that we should also eat that much.

For reasons behind a flop product - None of us able to see any advertising efforts being done for Logan, no paper ads, no TV ads ...... nothing, with its high maintenance cost and increase in parts price with damn costly labour charges, if they still assume that Logan will pickup sales just becuase its a hit in Romania ... I am sorry but this will not work and we all are witnessing the slow death of Logan and our hard earned money.

And yes for all other giving nice advices and positive feedbacks - Its very difficult to be satisfied with a product which has maximum number of unsatisified owners.

Agree with @ezee except the satisfaciton point. I am satisfied with the product but see an end to future of this thing, for sure.

However similar discussions have happened at least in one another topic.

Guys,
As a product, Logan is a good car and there have been number of instances in the Past like this In INDIA too. Take Palio for example.It started as a good car, people started hating it cause of its Low Mileage and High Maintainance, Fiat as a brand was dented big time when this happened. They upgraded the Palio and now with the TATA tie up, they are stll selling about 900 of them each month. With Fiat Siena and Petra also flopping, everyone said it was the End of the road for FIAT in India but they still stayed back and with the New Linea, they are doing pretty well.
So as they say in Cricket, The match isnt over till the last ball is bowled. Be patient guys. I Doubt Renault, if not Mahindra, would take INDIA so lightly. The World is coming here, why would the Worlds 3rd-4th Largest Car Maker want to make a quick exit??? I know it is getting late but i still have my bet on Renault getting aggressive, sooner than later.

Also, Ezee, however little we can do to educate the mass on the Logan is an added benefit. Whatever numbers u got, i wont debate on them but i Personally have atleast answered 400-500 people on the Logan and i am sure many of them went on to get one! The Forum in itself has also done pretty well taking in consideration the sales of the car. Also, the Logan not being targetted as a Youth car, not many are so Net Friendly either.
Also if you thought Renault was big only in Romania, check this :-
Renault Interactive World Map

Ezee the Logan is not just a hit in Rumania !It was developed in Rumania it is the baby of Dacia who is a subsidury of Renault
Now lets look at the strongest car market in the world Germany
Did you know that the Logan has been sold OUT until 2010 where now people are waiting to get there New Logan after this date
Also the Renault Dacia garages are complaining (and this is from the horses mouth) that the Dacias only come in for servicing !! Meaning they are so reliable .Why is this not so in Your country ? It is a intern problem and it is quite normal that Renault with drop out if the Quality is not up to scratch ! Renault is a BIG name and not just in cars .I wish I could hear you all say what a fine car this is .! But if you cannot then it is not a Renault thing
Stu

@saumil, thanks for taking up the matter. The parts of prices have been crept up from the time of launch, but the parts list in website and on showrooms have not been updated. Regarding the service of Dzire, i'll check with a service assistant of my Swift and update.

@martin245, what a nice attitude over there? So you don't want the 99% of Logan buyers to know about the service cost that Logan gives during the 60k km service and after that, real nice.
And for the price list, every Mahindra showroom has a parts price list similar the picture, i've posted below, from the official site. This might be the price at the time when we bought Logan, but now it has crept up three times. They kept this list claiming that Logan is the cheapest of the lot.


@Mir.., I think the Logans in Bangalore airport, as well as the fleet running Mumbai are all petrols, 1.4l. They should cost less than diesels.

@ezee, i agree with you.
Logan was cheaper earlier, but now it has more competitors which made Logan's price high, and also less features. And also now people prefer powerful cars and in their thoughts Logan is an underpowered car, but in reality it has adequate power, from what i observed in other forums many disagree with this.

And for all who compares Logan's Indian market with other international markets, have in mind that preference varies among regions. How can you compare Germany's service cost with Indian's?? Many Indian cars doesn't need to replace timing belt as early as 60000km. If Indian cars can do this, why not a reputed brand called Renault? Earlier regarding this issue, i contacted a ACI staff, he commented that Renault is playing safe with earlier replacement of all parts.

In India for a car to sell for a long time in good numbers, it needs to be VFM, reliable, durable, and the main thing cheaper to maintain. Toyota excels in this with many good examples.

Spoke to another Maruti Service center today and he says the DZire has a Timing Chain and it doesn't need replacement!!

guys guys guys.. cool down.. all of you.. i read and re read the entire thread.. what IS the point we are trying to make?

This is the way I see it:
1. Renault is a big car maker, but has launched an underpowered cheaper version of the Logan in India to latch on to some numbers
2. It has taken M&M as a partner who believes that customers are there to be fleeced (any of you who know Anand Mahindra's other businesses will surely vouch for this). M&M has been makers of tractors and jeeps and lately some premium SUVs. However, the TA and the both these segments is very different from Logan.
3. The price comparision charts that are populated by any company in any segment for any product is always a smart manipulation. Where M&M have willfully cheated customers is by hiding costs like trasport charges (from Pune to Delhi!!! - whoever heard of that) and a zillion other "hidden costs". M&M + Renault has also chosen to pull woolies about scheduled changes/services and their relevant charges.
4. Where i feel Renault has completely failed is in making sure there is a modicum of decency in the quality of service preffered. The training of the service personnel as well as of maintaining transparency with regards to "what's happening with my money" both come up much shorter than they should be. And i refuse to believe that Renault has no control on that. I own a Honda bike (the Unicorn) and the way HMSI reacts to even a sort mail gives so much confidence in the company that it makes me happy and proud to own one. Mahindra-Renault has always displayed a very callous attitude towards customer issues, and that is so very sad.

Stu, I have said this before but i have seen you making very "shut up" type of comments to anyone who says anything against Renault. Brother, this forum is all about freedom of soeech. If Ezee is unhappy with his car maker, he has every right to say so. You being 50 years older, or having driven a trillion kilometers backwards has no purchase at all. In fact it is completely irrelevant.

However, I do want to make a plea to all readers to be a little restrained about your language. It is easy to give vent to frustration. But is is not RIGHT. And in places where I do the same, please feel free to correct me.

Thanks,
Logan LOVER

Guys,
I doubt anyone is right or wrong here. Some are venting their anger and some are standing by something they love! Everyone has a right to express and the forum is exactly for that. Now, let bygones be bygones.
I have a strong feeling that Renault will do something sooner than later and lets all hope for the same. If we keep cribbing and fighting amongst ourselves, doesnt really get us anywhere. So lets put an end to this UNLESS anyone else gets to the 60000 KMS mark. Thats only when we'll have the right picture. The little good news that i have is that i was speaking to a MR employee and he said "I doubt that the expense would be so in all the cars, may be that car needed one and so was replaced". The Manual says Timing Belt and the cost for the same should be around 2000 i guess. The MR guy said he'll confirm and get in touch with me on Monday on the issue.
TILL THEN..
LETS NOT DISCUSS THIS!!

I will tell you what I will do I will leave this forum and leave you to complain about it amongst yourselfs

Cool Down STu

ok samuil try your level best for getting a good response from MR people.And think about another option of getting direct contact with Mr karlos Goshn the head of indian operation of Renault and Nissan.

hold down dear stu ... you are repeating me

These kind of debats are always for good to takeout the best out of every concern. I wish .... MR guys read these kind of threads and give some weightage to our concerns. Or it is best if they comeout and reply every thread posted for justification concerns.

As of now Dzire is the champion, selling average 5000 units per month (still beyond their manuf capacity) - http://www.wheelsunplugged.com/ViewNews.aspx?newsid=3558

@Saumil ..... "Amen" to your words.